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		<title>By: Vila H.</title>
		<link>http://thesmokingsection.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/on-the-metroblog-12/#comment-2837</link>
		<dc:creator>Vila H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 05:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely (see my comment above).  Health benefits, too, are an important part of the package, and will presumably become even more so as provincial governments allow a greater number of services to be privatized.

It is interesting, though, that most people haven&#039;t acknowledged pensions as the primary reason the strike happened.  Might make the strikers more sympathetic...

As for the questions you pose, Xanthium, I have a post brewing about some of them, but for now I&#039;ll say this: if your work is essential to a city service, you should be able to afford to live in that city, union or no.  To my mind, this is not only a matter of economic justice, but of social diversity.  What happens to a city when its less affluent inhabitants are priced out of its housing market?  And in case you were wondering, yes, that&#039;s a thesis-related question. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely (see my comment above).  Health benefits, too, are an important part of the package, and will presumably become even more so as provincial governments allow a greater number of services to be privatized.</p>
<p>It is interesting, though, that most people haven&#8217;t acknowledged pensions as the primary reason the strike happened.  Might make the strikers more sympathetic&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the questions you pose, Xanthium, I have a post brewing about some of them, but for now I&#8217;ll say this: if your work is essential to a city service, you should be able to afford to live in that city, union or no.  To my mind, this is not only a matter of economic justice, but of social diversity.  What happens to a city when its less affluent inhabitants are priced out of its housing market?  And in case you were wondering, yes, that&#8217;s a thesis-related question. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://thesmokingsection.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/on-the-metroblog-12/#comment-2820</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 13:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s lots of talk here about living wages, but let&#039;s not forget those pensions.  It&#039;s not just about a living wage while you&#039;re working; it&#039;s about being able to retire and get by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s lots of talk here about living wages, but let&#8217;s not forget those pensions.  It&#8217;s not just about a living wage while you&#8217;re working; it&#8217;s about being able to retire and get by.</p>
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		<title>By: xanthium</title>
		<link>http://thesmokingsection.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/on-the-metroblog-12/#comment-2804</link>
		<dc:creator>xanthium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it is about how many people there are who are able to do the job, not about toughness.  Yes, it is hard work to wait tables, but the average new restaurant employee can be trained in an evening. You can also find a replacement by putting an ad in the paper. Working as a temp receptionist, I can go to just about any business and fill in for the day--and I can be as easily replaced.  It&#039;s not that the work isn&#039;t &quot;hard&quot; (believe me, it is mindnumbingly tedious), but it isn&#039;t particularly skilled.  In contrast, my boyfriend designs microchips--clearly, not everyone could be trained to do his job. I probably couldn&#039;t have gotten a graduate degree in engineering, even if I had tried. The scarcity of workers means that he can get a higher wage--and because he bothered to learn a desirable and complex skill that many others can&#039;t actually acquire, he should be paid more. If all you get is a pat on the head, why would you bother challenging yourself? Isn&#039;t that why communism failed? 

The renumeration of the highly skilled is a different issue than that of those who are striking for a living wage. Unions and government regulations give power to those who otherwise have very little to bargain with and help ensure that their employer does not take advantage of them. Market forces are not enough protect the individuals from being exploited. If you work, you should earn enough for you and your family to live on decently--a place to live, enough food, health care, etc. That is an issue of social justice that we all seem to agree on. What we&#039;re really arguing about is what &quot;decently&quot; means; how much does it take to have an acceptable standard of living? Should you make enough to buy a house or just enough to rent your apartment? Should you be able to send your kids to college? Can you afford a car to get to work? I don&#039;t have the answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it is about how many people there are who are able to do the job, not about toughness.  Yes, it is hard work to wait tables, but the average new restaurant employee can be trained in an evening. You can also find a replacement by putting an ad in the paper. Working as a temp receptionist, I can go to just about any business and fill in for the day&#8211;and I can be as easily replaced.  It&#8217;s not that the work isn&#8217;t &#8220;hard&#8221; (believe me, it is mindnumbingly tedious), but it isn&#8217;t particularly skilled.  In contrast, my boyfriend designs microchips&#8211;clearly, not everyone could be trained to do his job. I probably couldn&#8217;t have gotten a graduate degree in engineering, even if I had tried. The scarcity of workers means that he can get a higher wage&#8211;and because he bothered to learn a desirable and complex skill that many others can&#8217;t actually acquire, he should be paid more. If all you get is a pat on the head, why would you bother challenging yourself? Isn&#8217;t that why communism failed? </p>
<p>The renumeration of the highly skilled is a different issue than that of those who are striking for a living wage. Unions and government regulations give power to those who otherwise have very little to bargain with and help ensure that their employer does not take advantage of them. Market forces are not enough protect the individuals from being exploited. If you work, you should earn enough for you and your family to live on decently&#8211;a place to live, enough food, health care, etc. That is an issue of social justice that we all seem to agree on. What we&#8217;re really arguing about is what &#8220;decently&#8221; means; how much does it take to have an acceptable standard of living? Should you make enough to buy a house or just enough to rent your apartment? Should you be able to send your kids to college? Can you afford a car to get to work? I don&#8217;t have the answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, cushy is a bit of an exaggeration.  But it is quite a good starting salary.  I started out at $13.50 per hour back when I started in 1996.  And I adjusted that for inflation.  One thing I have been wondering.  Is it the starting salary, the average salary, or the set salary for everyone in that position?  The number you state is an average home price meaning that there are many lower in price.  When we were in the market, we were looking for ones below that price.  Plus homes are cheaper off island.  

For the record, I find it hard to understand why anyone should earn more than 100k a year.  How can that job be tougher than hauling around building materials on a construction site or waiting tables?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, cushy is a bit of an exaggeration.  But it is quite a good starting salary.  I started out at $13.50 per hour back when I started in 1996.  And I adjusted that for inflation.  One thing I have been wondering.  Is it the starting salary, the average salary, or the set salary for everyone in that position?  The number you state is an average home price meaning that there are many lower in price.  When we were in the market, we were looking for ones below that price.  Plus homes are cheaper off island.  </p>
<p>For the record, I find it hard to understand why anyone should earn more than 100k a year.  How can that job be tougher than hauling around building materials on a construction site or waiting tables?</p>
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		<title>By: Basil Berntsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basil Berntsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 19:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, it looks like the users are protesting against the strike: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070524/CPACTUALITES/70524048/1019/CPACTUALITES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, it looks like the users are protesting against the strike: <a href="http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070524/CPACTUALITES/70524048/1019/CPACTUALITES" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070524/CPACTUALITES/70524048/1019/CPACTUALITES</a></p>
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		<title>By: xanthium</title>
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		<dc:creator>xanthium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 21:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of the frustration people have has to do with the crappiness of your average, white-collar job.  It’s not that blue collar workers don’t deserve a decent wage, because of course they do.  It’s that a lot of educated, white-collar workers don’t make one either.  Many people, after finishing college or even grad school, realize that they probably would have been better off financially had they gone to a vocational school to train for a blue collar job or gotten a unionized one.  The general crappiness of the kind of service jobs you get as an entry-level employee after college is eye-opening for those who thought they would do better than their parents by getting an education.  This is one of the reasons that so many people end up going to law school.  I&#039;m underemployed for someone with a master&#039;s (which is often the case, unless your degree is in something technical), but my job is fairly typical for an average, entry-level, recent college grad. I make 15$ an hour before tax, no health insurance, no pension plan. Many eventually do better, but it can take a long time and plenty never really feel as comfortably middle class as they think they deserve. The average cost of a (decidedly average) home in California easily doubles or triples that of one in Montreal. To top it off, the average college grad has $20,000 in student loans (presumably less in Canada, but of course, I have more).  Moreover, you start earning money a little later (or a lot later, if you go to grad school), so that is less time that you have to build up your retirement or save for a house or whatever it is.  I don’t resent others making a decent wage. Personally, it just makes me wish I had a union--but to a lot of people, having something like a union would mean that they were working class, and dammit, they&#039;re middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of the frustration people have has to do with the crappiness of your average, white-collar job.  It’s not that blue collar workers don’t deserve a decent wage, because of course they do.  It’s that a lot of educated, white-collar workers don’t make one either.  Many people, after finishing college or even grad school, realize that they probably would have been better off financially had they gone to a vocational school to train for a blue collar job or gotten a unionized one.  The general crappiness of the kind of service jobs you get as an entry-level employee after college is eye-opening for those who thought they would do better than their parents by getting an education.  This is one of the reasons that so many people end up going to law school.  I&#8217;m underemployed for someone with a master&#8217;s (which is often the case, unless your degree is in something technical), but my job is fairly typical for an average, entry-level, recent college grad. I make 15$ an hour before tax, no health insurance, no pension plan. Many eventually do better, but it can take a long time and plenty never really feel as comfortably middle class as they think they deserve. The average cost of a (decidedly average) home in California easily doubles or triples that of one in Montreal. To top it off, the average college grad has $20,000 in student loans (presumably less in Canada, but of course, I have more).  Moreover, you start earning money a little later (or a lot later, if you go to grad school), so that is less time that you have to build up your retirement or save for a house or whatever it is.  I don’t resent others making a decent wage. Personally, it just makes me wish I had a union&#8211;but to a lot of people, having something like a union would mean that they were working class, and dammit, they&#8217;re middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: mtlanglo</title>
		<link>http://thesmokingsection.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/on-the-metroblog-12/#comment-2770</link>
		<dc:creator>mtlanglo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 13:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t beleive how virulent this anti-union feeling is on the web.

I think everyone should ask themselves: Who should make more than $55K a year? Is there anyone that doesn&#039;t have a degree or work in IT suitable to make $55k, or maybe even $75k? Make that money with their bare hands?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t beleive how virulent this anti-union feeling is on the web.</p>
<p>I think everyone should ask themselves: Who should make more than $55K a year? Is there anyone that doesn&#8217;t have a degree or work in IT suitable to make $55k, or maybe even $75k? Make that money with their bare hands?</p>
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		<title>By: Vila H.</title>
		<link>http://thesmokingsection.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/on-the-metroblog-12/#comment-2761</link>
		<dc:creator>Vila H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 03:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.  At a tax rate of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desjardins.com/en/particuliers/conseils/impot/quebec_2006.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;22.8 per cent&lt;/a&gt;, and with employee contributions deducted, someone who earns $20 per hour generally takes home between $14 and $15 per hour, or about $30,000 per year.  I personally wouldn&#039;t describe these amounts as cushy, especially now that the average price of a home in Montreal stands at a record &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crea.ca/public/news_stats/statistics.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;$228,825&lt;/a&gt;.

Having said this, it wasn&#039;t wages but &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cyberpresse.ca/archives&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pensions&lt;/a&gt; that led to the STM strike, which doesn&#039;t surprise me in the least.  My father&#039;s union believed that pension and health benefits were worth more to its members than wage increases, and negotiated accordingly.  My teeth are very glad of it.

Anyway, I completely agree that an arbitrator needs to be called in, and that it should not have come to this.  As I understand it, a conciliator joined the bargaining sessions in recent weeks, but clearly he did not have the power to impose a binding settlement.  This is one area in which laws could possibly be tweaked without unduly restricting the maintenance workers&#039; collective bargaining rights, though it would be difficult to provide iron-clad assurances of fairness.  Something to think about, at least...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  At a tax rate of <a href="http://www.desjardins.com/en/particuliers/conseils/impot/quebec_2006.pdf" rel="nofollow">22.8 per cent</a>, and with employee contributions deducted, someone who earns $20 per hour generally takes home between $14 and $15 per hour, or about $30,000 per year.  I personally wouldn&#8217;t describe these amounts as cushy, especially now that the average price of a home in Montreal stands at a record <a href="http://www.crea.ca/public/news_stats/statistics.htm" rel="nofollow">$228,825</a>.</p>
<p>Having said this, it wasn&#8217;t wages but <a href="http://www.cyberpresse.ca/archives" rel="nofollow">pensions</a> that led to the STM strike, which doesn&#8217;t surprise me in the least.  My father&#8217;s union believed that pension and health benefits were worth more to its members than wage increases, and negotiated accordingly.  My teeth are very glad of it.</p>
<p>Anyway, I completely agree that an arbitrator needs to be called in, and that it should not have come to this.  As I understand it, a conciliator joined the bargaining sessions in recent weeks, but clearly he did not have the power to impose a binding settlement.  This is one area in which laws could possibly be tweaked without unduly restricting the maintenance workers&#8217; collective bargaining rights, though it would be difficult to provide iron-clad assurances of fairness.  Something to think about, at least&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 13:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that I&#039;m a bit more capitalist than I would have liked.  $20/hr as a starting salary sounds quite cushy.  I didn&#039;t even get that until I was four years out of college with two degrees.  Now, I understand that the possibility for advancement is much better for me than for them, but that is still quite a comfortable salary to start off with.  Plus the benefits sound on par with what I have.  Probably better on the pension front.

Now I don&#039;t disagree that everyone should earn a comfortable wage as long as they contribute to society to the best of their abilities.  And really, why should Joe Rock Star make millions for doing as much work as Joe Janitor.  And I&#039;m not saying that because I was fortunate enough to go to college and was born with the abilities that I have, that I should earn more than someone who contributes equally relative their abilities.

But I don&#039;t see substantial reason for a strike.  I understand the union doesn&#039;t have any other real pressure tactics they could use.  But why can&#039;t we bring in a non-partial arbitrator.  Someone who could analyse the situation and return a fair agreement.  Not one that splits things down the middle, but one that returns something that weeds out the unreasonable requests of each side.  It really should not come to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that I&#8217;m a bit more capitalist than I would have liked.  $20/hr as a starting salary sounds quite cushy.  I didn&#8217;t even get that until I was four years out of college with two degrees.  Now, I understand that the possibility for advancement is much better for me than for them, but that is still quite a comfortable salary to start off with.  Plus the benefits sound on par with what I have.  Probably better on the pension front.</p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t disagree that everyone should earn a comfortable wage as long as they contribute to society to the best of their abilities.  And really, why should Joe Rock Star make millions for doing as much work as Joe Janitor.  And I&#8217;m not saying that because I was fortunate enough to go to college and was born with the abilities that I have, that I should earn more than someone who contributes equally relative their abilities.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t see substantial reason for a strike.  I understand the union doesn&#8217;t have any other real pressure tactics they could use.  But why can&#8217;t we bring in a non-partial arbitrator.  Someone who could analyse the situation and return a fair agreement.  Not one that splits things down the middle, but one that returns something that weeds out the unreasonable requests of each side.  It really should not come to this.</p>
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		<title>By: uberfrau</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberfrau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 06:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smart Sebastian...but not brillant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart Sebastian&#8230;but not brillant.</p>
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